Sarah Palin Begs Tea-Bagger Banter

OK, now everyone give a big sigh of relief. For the time being it appears that the Tea Party Express Traveling Freak Show and Palin Podium has ended. Yesterday’s underwhelming rally in Washington DC was the final scheduled event until the whackjobs get all worked up late this summer in anticipation of the November 2010 elections.

For those of you that have not had the pleasure of having a conversation with a Tea-Bagger, today’s blog post should quench your thirst. You might recall that two days ago on April 14th, Lynnrockets posted a blog entry which described Sarah Palin and the Tea-Baggers at their Boston Common rally. In short, the post stated that Palin was as indecipherable as ever and the event was poorly attended.

As most of you are aware, any criticism of Palin or her brothers in arms brings out the Palinbots and Tea-Baggers in defense of her/their honor. Wednesday’s blog post was no exception. This time however, only one misinformed defender came to the fight. The blog suddenly began to receive comments from a Palinbot/Tea-Bagger with the moniker, C. Anderson (just wondering, but has she shown up on any other blogs?). Ms. Anderson, like Lynnrockets, hails from Massachusetts and right from the get go she demonstrated the Palinbot/Tea-Bagger traits of circular reasoning, lack of subject matter knowledge and denial of fact. The following is a transcript (if you will) of my conversation with her in the comment section of the post. Please enjoy.

12. C. Anderson – April 15, 2010

Count again. Fox reported 4-5,000 last night, and even the Boston Globe reported that there were some 6,000 in attendance. If you’re going to slam, slam accurately.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2010/04/15/palin_tea_party_express_hit_chord_in_hub/

And as for this post “they claim to be middle class citizens against tax increases, yet Obama has cut taxes for the middle class.” Could you please point out the tax cut for the middle class that I’m getting? My accountant can’t find it!

I’m an educated independent paying up on the 15th. How many of you are?

lynnrocketsApril 15, 2010

To begin, The Boston Globe did not report that there were 6000 in attendance. The Globe stated that a “park ranger estimated” that 6000 were in attendance. The Globe did not go on the record with its own accounting of attendance. The conservative Boston Herald (Enquirer) reported even a smaller number of 5000. New England Cable News reported 1000 and Politico.com reported 3000. All of the estimates included the anti-Tea-Bagger protesters. The Boston Police did not release a head count. No matter how you slice it, the number was way below the 10,000 minimum that organizer Mark Williams said he would be satisfied with. Rush Limbaugh (liar that he is, reported that 30,000 were in attendance, but what else would you expect?

In comparison, please consider that the event paled in comparison to other recent events at Boston Common. The Pope was viewed by over 400,000 in 2005 and the 2007 Anti-Iraq War protest garnered attendance in excess of 10,000.

As for your Obama tax cut, on April 1, 2009 you might remember that Obama signed a tax cut into law known as the “Making Work Pay Tax Credit” as part of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. The Making Work Pay Tax Credit provides immediate and sustained relief to about 95 percent of American workers and their families. Most working individuals will receive $400 a year and working families will receive $800 a year through reduced payroll deductions and taxpayers do not have to take any action to receive this tax credit. The credit continues in 2010. If your accountant was unaware of this much publicized tax law, you should find a better accountant.

13. C. Anderson – April 15, 2010

So fill me in. I would love to hear, specifically, what the tax breaks were. Glad to see you took offense to my stereotyping you. As I take offense to all the posters stereotyping me. I am not racist, gun toting, bible thumping, or uneducated.

And what about the “Boston Globe Democrat”? Did they count wrong?

lynnrocketsApril 15, 2010

Please see my response (above) to your last comment.

15. C. Anderson – April 15, 2010

My first post references my accountant, who I, like you pay for. I, like you, also expect to pay for services such as roads, schools, parks, and airports too.

But I do not expect to pay for other peoples services, like health care. Although in MA I already am. My health insurance, which I pay for myself as a small business owner, has gone up 180% since our state’s health care reform in 2006. Can’t wait to see what they want from me on a federal level.

I wasn’t asking for you to share your “secrets” But you must have some, as there was no new Obama tax break.

lynnrocketsApril 15, 2010

@ C. Anderson #15

You are beginning to make no sense. You say that you “expect to pay for services such as roads, schools, parks, and airports too. ” But then you say, “I do not expect to pay for other peoples services, like health care.”

In fact, when you pay for schools and roads and police, you are paying “for other people’s services”. You are not the only one to use those schools, roads and police services. By the way, do you want to repeal Medicare also? That is a service that you pay for the benefit of others.

I too own a few businesses in MA and although my insurance premiums have increased from 2006 by about 40%, I have not seen any increase like 180%. Furthermore, without health insurance reform my and your premiums would have increased much more. Additionally, you and I have benefited for 4 years now from any exclusions based upon pre-existing conditions and 97% of MA residents have health insurance now. The law works and that is why it is now the model for the national plan. The national plan is now law and will stay so.

Please see my responses above so you can learn about the Obama tax cuts in effect for the last 2 years.

C. Anderson – April 15, 2010

Ugh. I could not be clearer. I do not want to pay for other people’s services, such as, health care.

And aren’t you lucky to only have your rates go up 40%? I haven’t benefited from anything in the last four years. I am paying more for a lesser plan.

Never said we did not need health care reform. Just not the kind being forced on us. And the law in MA has not been proven yet, and thus, should not be seen as a model. It is unsustainable on the state level, and will be worse on the federal level.

Please see my response to your comment about the “Obama tax cuts”.

I’m done. Came here by pure accident, and am now convinced that the Tea Party movement, and any like it will get my support. You are all drinking the koolaid.

C. Anderson – April 15, 2010

The tax break referenced does not apply to the self-employed. Surprise, surprise. So enjoy your $400, as the tax increases to come will make a joke of that.

lynnrocketsApril 15, 2010

@ C. Anderson #15:
So let me get this straight, you only want to pay for other people’s services that you approve of like schools, roads and police, but not health care? That is pretty selfish, but once again I ask you, what is your opinion of Medicare? Using your thought process, it too should be repealed because the program forces you to pay for other people’s health care. By the way, shouldn’t you object to paying taxes for police service to other people when you could hire your own security detail?

Also, if the MA health care reform law hasn’t been proven yet and therefore shouldn’t be used as a national model, then why do you use it as a model to be objected too?

Finally, do you have no response to the fact that Obama has cut taxes for 95% of Americans?

C. Anderson – April 15, 2010

The selfish card. How typical.

Health care is not a right it is a privilege. Unfortunately, some things do need to be earned.

Please see reply above about the tax cuts.

lynnrocketsApril 15, 2010

Tough to earn the money for health insurance if you are too sick to work isn’t it?

17. C. Anderson – April 15, 2010

Wow, more assumptions and rudeness.

The tax break referenced does not apply to the self-employed. Surprise, surprise. So enjoy your $400, as the tax increases to come will make a joke of that. You better get to work!

lynnrocketsApril 15, 2010

It does not apply to the self employed like myself, however it does apply to the 95% of Americans that are not self employed and are not in the top 2% of wage earners. Hence, contrary to your assertion, Obama has given tax cuts to the working class. I wonder, are you married? And if so, does your spouse work somewhere as an employee? If she does, you also may have received a tax break on his/her income if you file jointly.

There have been no tax increases and your prediction of such is purely speculative. There are no present plans to raise taxes on the middle class only to repeal the Bush tax cuts for the top 2%.

C. Anderson – April 15, 2010

I guess I’m not done.

Yes, I am married. And my husband is self-employed as well (interesting you thought I was male). Two hard working, home owning citizens who are not in the top 2% of wage earners.

Hence, contrary to your assertion, Obama has not given breaks to the entire working class.

You are correct, I speculate on the tax increases. But we will need more than a repeal of the Bush tax cuts to cover what is in motion. And when the top 2% stop investing, hiring, spending, and increasing their wealth where will it come from.

So short sighted.

Done now, hopefully.

lynnrocketsApril 15, 2010

Do you consider roads, schools and airports a right or a privilege? I ask this because you confuse me. If you consider those things to also be a privilege then your reasoning on objecting to paying for others’ health care is inconsistent inasmuch as you have stated that you believe in paying for roads, schools etc. Also, if you feel health care is not a right then I assume that you have no objection to repealing Medicare. This is now the third time that you have avoided answering my question about Medicare.

By the way, I had no idea if you were male or female. That is why I used the words “spouse” and “his/her” in my comment above.

When you say, “when the top 2% stop investing, hiring, spending, and increasing their wealth where will it come from.”, what do you mean? Please remember that it was after those tax cuts for the rich went into effect that the economy collapsed. Consequently, there is no indication that the tax cuts to the rich spurred the economy. There is only evidence to the contrary.

19. C. Anderson – April 15, 2010

You referred to my spouse as “she”.

I do not consider roads, schools etc to be a privilege. And nothing I wrote suggested that. I do not want Medicare repealed. And your saying I have to object to both universal health care and medicaid at once is an easy out.

It was the Reagan tax cuts that got us out of the last recession. And you know what I mean by “where will it come from”. There is plenty of evidence that tax cuts spur the economy. And although I’d love to hear what “lynnrocket” considers “evidence of the contrary”, I will not be back to find out.

Lovely little blog you have. Too bad it’s pure fiction.

lynnrocketsApril 15, 2010

I intended to say “he/she” as is evidenced by my use of the terms “spouse” and “his/her” elsewhere in the same comment.

OK, if you do not consider roads, schools etc to be a privilege, then you must consider them to be a “right”. If so, I would love to hear your reasoning about that. Also, if as you have said repeatedly today, that you “do not expect to pay for other peoples services, like health care”, then why do you not object to paying for other people’s health care services through taxpayer funded Medicare? Indeed, Medicare is even more socialist than the health care reform law because no private profit making health insurers are in the mix.

Actually the Reagan tax cuts did not get us out of a recession. In fact, unemployment increased to over 10% almost two years after the tax cut. Also, Reagan followed the tax cuts with the largest tax increase in history up to that point in time. You might also remember that Reagan left us with a large deficit upon leaving office.

Enough factual evidence for you?

chirp, chirp, chirp… (OK, I added that one).

Makes your head spin doesn’t it?

In honor of the troops, please remember to click on the song link below to familiarize yourselves with the tune and to have more fun singing along with today’s topical song parody. Please enjoy!

House Party song link:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DFsAeaoSKA&feature=related

TEA PARTY

(sung to the J. Geils Band song “House Party”)

They’re staring at the ceilin’
They’re droolin’ on the floor
Baggers everywhere comin’ through the door
They don’t have a clue what’s goin’ on
Scott Brown shedding his pants before long
They love when Glenn Beck cries
Like a baby, tears flowin’ from his eyes
They all watch him on the tube
He’s their favorite Fox News boob

They’re lovin’ the Tea Party
They’re lovin’ the Tea Party
They’re lovin’ the Tea Party
Tea-Baggers love a Tea Party!

Palin’s crazy and she has no soul
Spitting bile right from her pie-hole
With no clue, she’s koo-koo
Should have gone to better schools
She was a pregnant bride
Then that lady quit her job last July
She broke water on the move
That’s a birth that she can’t prove

They’re lovin’ the Tea Party
They’re lovin’ the Tea Party
They’re lovin’ the Tea Party
Tea-Baggers love a Tea Party!

(musical interlude)

They go on a bus ride
Guys and ladies congregate outside
Tea-Baggers are on the move
A bunch of slime with something to prove

They’re lovin’ the Tea Party
They’re lovin’ the Tea Party
They’re lovin’ the Tea Party
Tea-Baggers love a Tea Party!

They just move it, groove it
Baby, then they lose it
They just roll it, stroll it
They just can’t control it

They’re just lovin’ the Tea Party
They’re lovin’ the Tea Party
They’re lovin’ the Tea Party
Tea-Baggers love a Tea Party!

Yeah, Baggers love Tea Parties
Now we all know about Tea Parties
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!
Smell that ol’ Tea Party

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Posted on April 16, 2010, in Fox News, Glenn Beck, Republican, Sarah Palin, Scott Brown, Songs, Tea Party and tagged , , , , , , , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 18 Comments.

  1. Let them eat cake

    Palin is now peddling a new talking point: there’s tons of moochers not earning enough to pay federal income taxes! No mention of the payroll, state, property, and sales taxes which the poor do pay, or of the increase in poverty rates resulting from the Bush assault on the middle class.

    No word on whether the freeloaders might be “real” Americans.

  2. WOW, just WOW. Kudos to holding it together during that exchange. The “I’ve got mine, F-U” attitude on health care is mind-boggling. So I guess hospitals should just turn people away if they can’t pay and let them go out in the fields and die. How fast would their tune change if they or someone they knew became incapacitated because of a serious illness? I somehow doubt they would say ‘too bad for you” if they were no longer able to afford care. So easy to have these ridiculous ideas when it’s me, myself and I.

    • I can’t comprehend the, Health Care Reform with for profit insurers = Bad, but Medicare which is totally taxpayer funded = Good. I thought Tea-Baggers were in favor of private, profit driven capitalism and were against socialized entitlement programs. (He said while scratching his head.)

    • Mrs. A should hope she doesn’t catch some deadly communicable disease from someone who doesn’t have health insurance like drug-resistant TB, hepatitis or something like that that one would catch from a restaurant, hotel worker or subway or something like a Teabagger rally.

      (I think the rude comment was directed at me. It’s the Manhattan in me.)

  3. Bravo on the song, lynnrockets! Hilarious use of J Geils. Love it, love it, love it!

    • Thanks, and yes, I do believe the “rude” comment was slung your way but I was willing to take the bullet.

      • She also didn’t get the CPA vs accountant point I was trying to make, and the lawyer joking with me to “get back to work” to pay the mortgages (instead of taking me up on my offer for a drink). In addition, the W2 taxpayers don’t get an entire list of deductions on Schedule C that the self employed get. There are lawyers and CPAs who help people take full advantage of the laws that are available and don’t think that McCain, Palin and the rest of the Teabagger-duping elite aren’t already using them.

        She may not have lived in CA while Ronnie was Governor, but I did, and he’s not the saint people think he is. Didn’t Cheney say Ronnie proved deficits didn’t matter, or some such garbage like that?

        Didn’t GWB mail out checks–wasting money that way–when he had his stimulus? For 300 for singles/600 for couples?

        Where was she for those two items?

        (Thanks for offering to take the bullet, but it wasn’t necessary. I take full responsibility for my actions and realize there are downstream repercussions.)

  4. Patriotism

    Harry Potter author J.K. Rowling laments the period between 1993 and 1997, when she was a single parent and therefore, automatically, “a bogeyman of the Tory government.” She says that the Conservative Party has changed little since then, with Cameron now leading “a renewed marginalization of the single, the divorced, and the widowed.” Rowling, who is richer than the Queen, recalls a time when her accountant suggested she move to Ireland or Monaco to protect her fortune from taxation. She chose not to, she says, because “I am indebted to the British welfare state; the very one that Mr. Cameron would like to replace with charity handouts. When my life hit rock bottom, that safety net, threadbare though it had become under John Major’s Government, was there to break the fall. I cannot help feeling, therefore, that it would have been contemptible to scarper for the West Indies at the first sniff of a seven-figure royalty check. This, if you like, is my notion of patriotism.”

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheat-sheet/item/jk-rowling-rips-david-cameron/british-elections/

    • Wow, what a strong and poignant message. Some Democrat on this side of the pond better start repeating that to get the message across. It probably should not be Joe Biden however, in light of his last attempt at quoting a Brit!

  5. By the way, she is wrong. Self-employed individuals are allowed the Making Work Pay credit if their net self-employment income is included in taxable income. So either she had a net loss from self-employment, her self-employment and other income was high enough to cause her to phase out of the credit (i.e., she is in the top 5%), she is not including her net self-employment income in taxable income, or she needs a new accountant.

    • Thank you. Yes, lynnrockets suggested that, and I alluded to it. But if you have a chip on your shoulder the size of a California redwood, sometimes it’s hard for the advice to reach the brain…the tree is in the way of the ear, unfortunately.

    • Thank you for that clarifying explanation. It was truly helpful. Please stop by to comment again.

  6. Great piece Lynnrockets. It took a lot patience to read the conversation especially since I had already read another on TPM earlier today. And guess what both had the same theme basically: “I don’t want to pay for other people’s services, such as, health care.” She already is paying, as all of us are, in higher premiums, higher medical costs, so on and so forth. After all someone has to pay when people go to the emergency room and cannot afford it.

    Furthermore I don’t want to pay for the 2 wars, abstinence only programmes, the war on drugs, defense contractors and a whole lot of other things, but I don’t get to pick and choose.

    I really don’t understand this selfishness. Up until around the 1980s there was a shared sense, despite our differences, of fairness and opportunity for everyone. But now we are getting pulled apart and as a result we are falling behind the rest of the world in: education, healthcare, business opportunity and our quality of life. I wish they would think about that instead of themselves.

    BTW (to be fair Iam assuming b/c I don’t know how your conversation ended) The only difference between your conversation and the other 1 @ TPM is that the latter ended on a somewhat positive note: he said he would be back.

    Last, but not least Iam glad to see T-partiers at least trying to converse. The point is not to try change their minds — that won’t happen — but to have a civil dialogue. Who knows something positive may come out of it in the end. This is the first step.

    Good job Lynnrockets.

    • You said: “Furthermore I don’t want to pay for the 2 wars, abstinence only programmes, the war on drugs, defense contractors and a whole lot of other things, but I don’t get to pick and choose.”

      Nope and from http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/gang-couldnt-shoot-straight

      “This is not satire. This is not a joke. This is actually happening in Afghanistan. And we are paying billions of dollars to enable this travesty:

      For several years, Afghan police recruits under the tutelage of private U.S. government contractors couldn’t understand why their marksmanship never improved.

      The answer became clear earlier this year. Italian contractors also helping to train Afghan volunteers showed them that the sights on their AK-47s and M-16s had never been adjusted.

      “We’re paying somebody to teach these people to shoot these weapons, and nobody ever bothered to check their sights?” Democratic Sen. Claire McCaskill of Missouri said, after relating that story at a hearing Thursday….

      “It is an unbelievable, incompetent story of contracts,” she said. “For eight years we have been supposed training the police in Afghanistan. We’ve flushed $6 billion.”….

      How embarrassing. WTF is Blackwater, I mean Xe, doing getting cash out of the government? That’s what happens when Republicans start wars. They outsource the troops and then you’re stuck with contractors because we don’t have the manpower to do the job. Getting out of there should be our highest priority. Exiting out of Iraq and Afghanistan would be awesome for so many reasons but one that’s way down the list is that I will make it my mission to never let Blackwater receive a nickel of our money again.

      Why aren’t the teabaggers complaining that $6 billion of our tax money was spent on this war? ….”

      Taxed Enough Already, indeed.

    • Thanks for the kind words and insightful comment. Please stop by to comment again. I enjoy the discourse.

  7. The more I read about the Tea party , the more I think they have no idea what they are actually complaining about. Who or what are they going to take their country back from? Do they even know? I always read this blog, Lynn, and love the songs. You are very talented and have a great way of re-writing them to suit the situation perfectly, always great for many laughs. Thank You!

    I know two couples who are fortunate enough to be in that top 2%, one is very strong Republican and the other Democratic. One of them took a family business that made in the high six figures at the end of almost six decades of business to a multi-billion dollar company in 12 years that was sold to Amex for several billion dollars. He used to say that the customers were great but if the employees didn’t do the great work, the customers wouldn’t be there. Health benefits, vacation, etc. were excellent and when he sold the company, it had to be included in the sale that they wouldn’t change for 20 years. I didn’t think they’d pull it off but they did. He and his wife believe it is essential to give back and feel somewhat privileged to be able to do so. I wish more people had the same attitude.

    The other couple was talking about the good old days under Reagan when someone spoke about the initial tax cuts followed by two consecutive tax increases. Of course, they don’t believe that’s what happened. Just like $arah. She is such an idiot that she truly believes that if she were President (shudder) and instituted a tax cut and rid us of the “death tax”, then she could stand back and let the economy “roar back to life”. Talk about naive and stupid, it is unreal that this woman quotes Reagan or what she thinks he said and yet has no idea what really went on during his presidency. She doesn’t realize that interest rates dropped drastically allowing a great deal more disposable income to be spent by the middle class. Hell, we re-financed our home four times between the early 80’s to the early 90’s.

    I don’t understand how people can look at those without and honestly not care. They have no idea what it’s like for those who may find themselves without a job but with a history of hypertension or heart disease and having to find affordable insurance. I was dropped by my insurance company after my back surgery and am paying almost $12k a year for healthcare costs between premiums and deductibles before it actually kicks in anything. Fortunately, I’m able to afford this at the moment but I know if I lost my ability to work, I’d be up a creek without a paddle, for damn sure. But $arah never had that worry with her husband’s native Alaskan medical care and yet she has no problem in denying that same care to others. This woman is evil without a care in the world for anyone but herself and I’m including her family in that. A decent mother would never have thrown her daughter to the wolves, aka the press, in order to run for V.P. and not even have the decency to tell her the decision herself. She left it up to the McCain campaign. And that’s the woman these empty-headed Teabaggers admire???

    • Thank you so much for your comprehensive comment. You obviously have a very good idea of how people differ. I am the child of immigrant Irish parents that had but not a thing. my dad was a great baseball player that garnered him some notice but ultimately led to him owning a small family business. I was lucky enough to have been both a good athlete and student. Luckily, I was able to matriculate in the Ivy League (which my parents paid for) and move on. I still however consider myself to be a member of the working class (because I have no other) and work every day to help those people like me to advance. i’m not always successful, but I will always try. the blog is my way of having some fun but also, I hope it inspires a bit of progressive thought in folks.

      Please come back and comment again. I’ll tell you a bit more about my terrific city of Boston.

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